I agree that it should be McCain and Obama and either one we get has their Homer Simpson issues (Doh!) and both have issues that I agree with. I agree with more of McCain's stances than with Obama's, but I am former military and am tired of hearing about how Iraq is bad and useless.

To those people who believe this is the case I want to say this, you make me sick. You try living in a country where the man running it kills more of his own people during his reign than anyone except Hitler and have the world sit by and watch while doing nothing, then tell me that you give a fu*k what reason is given to a country's people in order to get their military to come save your a$$. You are just pissed off that people lied to you, all the while you are living a lie yourself. The death toll in Iraqi war is over 650,000 on their side, many hundreds of thousands (400-500k depending on who's estimates you check) are Shia, Kurd, or Marsh Arab killed by Saddam Hussein's troops in attempts to suppress rebellion. The United States has lost a total of 3,952 men and women in our armed forces. Less than 4000 losses to free a people, I say it is well worth it. War is the only thing that solves anything, as sh1tty as that fact is. Everything else is just a pathetic debate that never gets resolution. War is horrible, but it is a necessary evil if you wish to allow others the same chances for freedom as you enjoy. You are a hypocrite if you think that you deserve to be free because of our military and anyone else in the world should be denied that.

U.S. Casualties

Saddam Era Death Toll

::edit to say there's your debate Snowie, hope it helps::