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You have a bad habit of demonizing people who disagree with you. You just assume you know what's best for them and remain as close-minded as ever. When you can't come up with a good answer you resort to basically "you're not enlightened and don't know better". But in reality you miss out on many blessings that God tries to give you through others, just because you are arrogant and have a hardened heart.


You dont seem to understand, I wasnt demonizing you, Im rebuking you. It is irrational to suggest that it is okay for someone to curse at people. The assertion that I demonize is in fact an attempt to demonize me since it is ascribing a negative motive to my actions. Im saying, Wake up! you arent making any sense. I suggest you read Proverbs 1:7, 10:23, and 12:16. I will read them again as well and we will both benifite.

The bible is very clear about people who reject remonstration. Now, I could have factually sent a barb by accusing you of currying favor from my opponents, as I often feel others here do. But that would be baseless since it isnt a demonstrable fact. To assume that a person can verbally assault another person, legally and reasonably, is demonstrably irrational. I made that clear in the preceding part of the post. That you skipped my clear exposition and accused me of stooping to ad hominem language suggests a motive, am I acting on that? Or how about my exposition on what I meant by irrational? That didnt seem to help either.

Brother you were being rebuked. Christ would not go about cursing at people nor would he justify others cursing at people. I try to explain these things for the benefit of secularists that they may understand why, on a natural level, that which is ungodly should not be done. I suggest you read Ephesians 4:29, 1 Peter 3:10, and James 3 9-12, With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

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Flatly obvious? No. Again, Cursing can change in definition. As of now it refers to something you find appropriate, but in the future it may become your beliefs that are considered cursing. Then you have to follow these laws you so desperately want.


Since you have taken this to a spiritual level I will answer it spiritually. 1 Peter 5:8, Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Listen to the inside of yourself when you curse or you feel the urge to curse. It is like a roar. It wells up inside and is knowable as a thing. In the vast majority of cases the curse is against God. There are many variations of curses against God. GD, goddawgit, golldarnit, dadnabbit, sheesh, yeesh, and so on ad infinitum. This is because the curse itself is more often than not the most common conversation people have with God.

I believe that hell is the agony of absolute separation from God. I dont think we can understand that agony without experiencing it so it is described in the terms that fall withing the range of our experience. Those who curse God desire this state. To the ungodly heaven is a hell that Hell is preferable to. The curse is the shock response that in stark brevity shouts, My life is pain and I hate you God, you made me and my life is detestable. It is generally a short term event that quickly settles back into the natural mans opium of self absorption.

On the secular level a curse is a curse. If dignbabbit is a curse in 1457 and babbdingit is the same curse in 1947, they are both the came curse. The words matter not, it is the effect. If the person hearing the curse were unable to recognize the curse they you may have a point, but anyone can recognize a curse based on several points: The invections themselves (across cultures generally to curses of particular gods, references to the anus, references to excretion, references to the sex act, etc.), the tone and elocution, the volume, and the context (in her bathroom with the toilet flooding, wishing to share her anger with the world).

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Don't assume you know people. You know nothing about me, or most people on this site. You see a little bit of writing from someone and you try to categorize them immediately in one of your many stereotypes, and then ignore the rest of what they write. Try listening, God gave you 2 ears (in this case eyes), 1 mouth. It was for a reason.


And in posting this paragraph are you not doing exactly to me that which you accuse me of doing?

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I do not like cursing, I don't curse, I never have. I follow my Christian beliefs to a very full extent, so most of what you state (albeit in general but I can only assume you're referring to me as well) is very very wrong. However as soon as I can, in America, tell someone they can't say a certain word...they can tell me I can't say God, Christian, or anything else.


This assumes that language has no particular categories. For instance, assuming what you said is correct, to say love and to say kill are the same thing. To say to someone as you are torturing them, I love you dearly, you are the light of my eye. would be sensible and rational. However this is not the case. There is context. You dont talk to a friend in the same method as that which you use when you are giving a speech. You do not talk to your wife the way you talk to your children. You do not talk to your mother the way you talk to a sales client. There are categories of speech. If, as is becoming the case, our freedom of speech is suspended by those who would confuse the language in order to repress the speech of others, then being accused of hate speech by saying Jesus will be the least of your problems.

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Being polite is a different subject completely and I'm not sure why it was brought into this. This lady didn't get yelled at for being impolite, she was hit with legal action. You should know yourself that this is a bad start. It's possible that in 130 years anyone who mentions God will be arrested because it is offensive to 95% of the population. The wonderful thing about America (or used to be) is that you can believe what you want without legal action being brought against you. Now if you're not politically correct you're arrested/fined/etc. Also, drop the "bring the man down" crap...leave the drama to the women.


Again, you arent understanding the points Im making. They are very clear. To respond, the woman was verbally assaulting anyone within hearing range. That is a crime. It may not be listed as a crime within any given legal fiction, but it is a crime, well adjusted people will respond either by compelling you to cease or, as is becoming the case in America as we move towards tyranny, by slumping their shoulders and suffering the imposition. But people will respond. You cannot impose yourself on other people! It is impolite, it is uncivilized, it is tyrannical. (Also, crap is a reference to excretion, it is a curse, see my above definitions.)

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Being civil, polite, and cultured has nothing to do with legal action. So keep them out of this. I agree people should try harder not to offend more, but that is not here nor there.


I beg to differ. It has everything to do with this. You cannot go about accosting others, verbally or otherwise. The capacity to operate as a civilization is dependent upon civility, politeness, and respect for the law.

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Are you high when you write sometimes?


Ah, your gentle hand doth ring with the song of steel as usual. Just because you dont understand what I say doesnt mean it is lacking in intelligence. Meditate on it. Give it some thought. What I said was, if I may, When you verbally assault someone you take away a part of their life. The example of the slave is that a slave, though living, is in part dead since they lack the full range of life that a free man has. And even if freed they will always be diminished. The assaulted person as well has a part of life cut out of them when someone goes on the attack, even if it is a verbal attack. The woman shouting curses out her window attacked anyone within range.

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So telling someone they will be arrested and fined for saying a certain word is not forcing yourself on them?


First, I have stated previously that I dont agree with the arrest.

Forcing myself upon someone is a person to person action. Forcing the law upon someone is a civil action. By your equation stealing is the same as buying.

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All I ask is take a step back, look at the situation, and put yourself in the other person's shoes. You speak about being polite, try to consider someone elses point of view for a moment. As I've mentioned, it may be your point of view one day


I think you may be best served by taking your own advice. At fifty I dont think much will change in my world-view. Ive worked these problems and experience the results as knowledge. They arent slogans to me. They arent rote information stored and accessed when certain stimuli are received. They are knowledge.

I think you however need to start reading your bible. I suggest you start with the gospel of John. It is the key to the bible. Also, remember that a name for Satan is the Accuser. I suggest that when you feel the urge to accuse a brother of a motivation or an intent you pray to the Lord your God for guidance. Also, remember, the shield of faith extinguishes the flaming barbs of the Adversary. Use it liberally, it has the infinite quality of the living God and will serve you always, never failing.

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

Joel.