For some reason, this whole thread has me wanting to quote the Beatle's song...."the love you get is equal to the love you give"....or something like that. Perhaps it's time we all curse quietly to ourselves and let off some steam!

BTW, I love you both dearly, but Joel, You're wrong about 'dergats'. He's very devout, though he is young, he's not a 'baby' Christian. I've known him very well and for a long time. In fact, I am quite certain that the two of you are among the most devout in this community!

Now, let's all have some ice cream and cuddle:b