No, zerk BA is not out of whack. Those 50's you've been hit through giant armor was AP damage on a critical or a near-critical hit.

Quote: If giant armor is taken away, then non- barb thugs and oogs are in trouble.

See, I've been thinking about this while looking for the reason for Giant armor being there in the first place. What kind of trouble is that? The same trouble everyone else is in? I mean, I assume they were not compensating for extra low DR in times when DR below that of a hand cleric doesnt mean crap in hunting, right?

Here's a trouble for ya: a thugian has 70 more HP than a 6'8" human at MAX CON. We are talking close to 50 percent difference here. Not to mention the carry and damage mod difference.

I'd like to either hear the real reason behind Giant Armor or, if that initial reason is outdated, to see it go.

Barracuda.